Aging clocks obey their own timetable, having no regard for the environment. Aging clocks establish appropriate life span. Nature balances many ingredients (size, weight, metabolic rate, food supply, predators, breeding age, and number of offsprings, among other factors) to arrive at the life span of a creature.
In the balance of Nature, it is sufficient if a species can keep its population going before it ages and dies, its purpose has been fulfilled. The onset of aging is tied to physical evolution. Each animal has evolved to a given life span that accords best with its survival. All the specifies fit in to their own niche of life span and follow their own specific aging patterns.
The factors that influence the life spans of different animals are so complex and subtle that explaining how animals age is difficult. Nature’s specific intent is hard to decipher.
Aging clocks are disturbing to the imagination because they are time bombs that animals unwittingly carry around inside them – the instruments of their own destruction. Biologists speculate that human DNA contains an aging clock.
Humans die at extremely wide-ranging ages, with average life span increasing from around 28 years during the Roman empire to 75 years today. This increase was achieved by the trait that sets us apart from lower animals – free will. Our moment of death is not determined at birth. Humans defy fate by building shelters against the elements, planting crops against starvation, inventing cures for diseases.
Yet the biological inheritance that we carry with us poses a constant threat. Our bodies have the ability to release large doses of hormones outside our voluntary control. For example, a small non-lethal dose of cortisol is released every time we are in a threatening situation.
Signs of steroid poisoning (such as muscle wasting, diabetes, fatigue, osteoporosis, thinning of skin, redistribution of body fat, fragility of blood vessels, hypertension, fluid retention, suppression of immune functions and impaired mental function) looms as a danger if patients are kept too long on large doses of steroid medications.
The danger of repeated inappropriate stress is much greater, then than any single catastrophic stress.
DISCUSSIONS
Bisataoling: How do you achieve immortality if you have an aging clock?
Dakilahsuan/ Patshakti: Man has the power to control entropy. Our free choices can override the “time clock”.
Dakilahsuan: If human beings are operating on their own body clock, then death rates should have been uniform. Are we safe to say that since no body has done it, it cannot be done?
Bisataoling: Yes, but what is the key that can stop the aging time clock? If you know the time clock, can you relate to something to stop it?
Dakilahsuan: You must have complete unity with your Godself and you have control over the time clock. The key must be in the control of the four (4) elements., because whatever you do, if you can control the four elements, you can control the body.
3/13/03 - WISDOM
Conversations with God P77-91
“The reason I have no need to forgive you is that you cannot offend Me, nor can I be damaged or destroyed. Yet you imagine yourself capable of offending, even damaging, Me. What an illusion. What a significant obsession!”
“You cannot hurt Me, nor can I be harmed in any way. For I am the Unharmable. And that which cannot be harmed cannot, and would NOT, harm another.”
The same is true of you. And of all others – though all of you imagine that you can be, and have been, hurt and damaged and destroyed.”
DISCUSSIONS;
Dakilahsuan: God cannot be harmed or damaged? If God is everything and we are one with everything, and if we do indeed get hurt, damaged and destroyed, then cannot be God be hurt also? Otherwise, if only us can get hurt, then there is a separation between God and man?
It is highly possible that you can hurt other people and in the process hurt God also. Didn’t Jesus Christ Himself say that “Whatever you do unto the least of my brethren, you also do unto Me”?
How come God is saying that you can not hurt nor damage Me”, when he is the embodiment of everybody. Is He now trying to separate Himself from the human beings who can be hurt?
We are All One. If you hurt somebody, you are also hurting yourself. The theory about God is that He is Everything, so, we ask forgiveness.
Bisataoling: Hurt comes not from the idea of right or wrong . But let us be realistic. Hurt is Who You Are Not. Reality is Who You Are. It is just like a drama. With the sense of knowing, there is always hurt. One plays the role in order to define himself and know Who He Is.
Dakilahsuan: That is true, but asking for forgiveness is a demonstration that you have realized that you have hurt somebody If this means I acknowledge and realize and it serves the purpose, that I care for him, so be it.. The mere fact that you ask for forgiveness means you realize your mistakes, the culpability of your action.
Bisataoling: If both of you have remembered that there is nothing to forgive. The feeling of hurt depends only on your perception. Now comes the forgiveness. Jesus Christ did not feel guilt. When He said :”Father, forgive them for they do not know what they do”.
Dakilahsuan: But we are talking here of human beings. But the drama is, there are HEB's (highly evolved beings) who cannot be hurt. Hurt is a matter of perception. If you always feel the hurt, you can feel destroyed, Masters don’t get hurt. But how can you not get hurt if you experience pain?
Patshakti: You can even feel no pain if you choose not to feel. It is a matter of choice or decision.
Bisataoling: If you do not have God-self consciousness, you can be hurt. But if we have God consciousness, we can experience pain, but we do not have to be hurt.
Dakilahsuan: The purpose of karma is to express Who You Are…to remember Who You Are.
Forgiveness, I do not agree that it is not necessary for us to seek forgiveness if we realize our mistakes. I do not agree that God cannot be hurt, if we hurt somebody else.
It is normal for human beings to ask for forgiveness if they realize they have hurt somebody. But in deeper truth, when you realize we are all one, and there is only one of us, and there is no one else, then there is nothing to forgive. You can only be released.
Patshakti: It would seem best, therefore, to determine from what perspective God is talking about not being hurt here. If He is talking from the perspective of the Ultimate Reality, then this is correct, for in the Ultimate Reality, Love is All There Is. But from the point of view of the Relative, then Dakilahsuan appears to be correct that God can indeed get hurt. For God is all pervasive. Whatever we experience and feel, He can experience and feel. If we get hurt, He must also feel the pain and the hurt. As a matter of fact, God Himself told us that we are His Body.and that This is my personal view.
Changing your ideas of what is" right" and “wrong” isn’t the problem. You have to change those ideas, or you would never grow. Changing is a product of evolution.
The problem is not that you have changed, or that your values have changed. The problem is that so many of you insist on thinking that the values you now have are the right and perfect ones, and that everyone should adhere to them. Some of you have been self-justified and self-righteous.
Your ideas about ‘right’ and “wrong” are your definitions of Who You Are. Yet do not require that others define themselves according to your terms. And do not say if you stay “stuck” in your present beliefs and customs that you halt the process of evolution itself.
Actually, you could not do that even if you wanted to, for life goes on, with you or without you. All of life is motion. Even rocks are filled with motion. Everything moves. Everything.
Allow your deepest truths to be altered, because your new idea of Who You Are is where the growth is. Your new idea of What Is So, is where evolution accelerates. Your new idea about all of it is where the excitement is, where the creation is, where God-in-you is made manifest and becomes fully realized.
No matter how wonderful you think your theologies, your ideologies, your cosmologies, they can be full of even more wonder. For there are “more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Be open, therefore. Be OPEN. Don’t close off the possibility of new truth, because you have been comfortable with an old one. Life begins at the end of your comfort zone.
Yet be not quick to judge another. Rather, seek to avoid judgment, for another person’s “wrongs” were your “rights” of yesterdays-morn; another person’s mistakes are your own past actions, now corrected; another person’s choices and decisions are as “hurtful” and “harmful”, as “selfish” and “unforgivable:, as many of your own have been.
It is when you “just can’t imagine: how another person could “do such a thing” that you have forgotten where you came from, and where both you and the other person is going.
And to those of you who think yourselves to be the evil ones, who think yourselves to be unworthy, and irredeemable. I tell you this: “There is not a one among you who is lost forever, nor will there ever be. For you are all, all, in the process of becoming. You are all, all moving through the experience of evolution. That is what I am up to. Through you.”
3/14/03 - PROSPERITY
No theoretical discussions, but time was spent on analyzing the Efund, the current investment game in town. It is unbeatable in terms of ROI. It appears to be a pyramiding scheme, but you have to know how to play the game to win.
3/15/03 - PHYSICAL EXERCISES
3/17/03 - HARMONY
Friendship with God - Page 290
I bring joy to you when I let you bring joy to me. No longer be a seeker, but a bringer of light. Is it time for a New Gospel?
Make daily contact with Me. I will be there always. Your very decision to be close to me will elevate your awareness of me. Sadness and God cannot exist in the same place?
Let the “force” be with you. You will plant the seeds of the greatest growth the world has ever seen, making all the rest of your chances look insignificant by comparison. Messengers and visionaries are the heralds of the new age.
What is your choice?
The knowing is what you are. Yet, you have forgotten who you are, so that you may recreate yourself again. You do not remember. Some do not remember that they have even remembered. Those who have fully remembered are members once again of the body of God.
DISCUSSION
Dakilahsuan: Why can’t sadness and God exist in the same place?
Bisataoling: Meditation is the key to being alone.
Dakilahsuan: Can you experience something by simply knowing?
Bisataoling: Only conceptually. The best way to know God is to go within. If you cannot go within, you go without. If you cannot see God inside of you, try seeing God in others. If you can see yourself in others, you can realize your Self.
There are actually what we call intuitive and perceptual experiences. Perceptual is bound by illusion. You can generate intuitive experience through your extra sensory perception (ESP).
“When you pass by a flower bed and do not stop to appreciate its beauty, you turn Me down”. It seems God emphasizes meditation…moment to moment meditation.. If you consider that everything is God, you will not only know, you will experience being God in each moment of your life.
Dakilahsuan: Actually, instead of meditating in the forest, you can bring the forest with you, by just simple awareness. If we consider every moment of our experience as awareness of God, then you are meditating.
Bisataoling: If you experience God in the stillness of your mind, you experience nothingness. Outside, you experience God as everything.
Dakilahsuan: Can you experience something out of nothing?
Bisataoling: Just try. That can be answered by your experience.
Dakilahsuan: It is not that I believe that if you go within you experience as nothing, because in particular in the deepest core of our heart, you will find Who You Really ARE and that is not nothing. You meet the Creator within. That is something that is not nothing.
But there is no description. The only way to describe is there is nothing. You are just conscious that you are with everything.
It has to have something to do with progression in consciousness. It is only at a certain level of conscious that you find yourself as experiencing nothing. When you know God, you know there is something there. In the state when you become unified with God, when you experience “Samadhi”, you may feel nothing but bliss, total bliss. You can no longer identify yourself as separate from everything else, because you have merged your identity with Who You Really Are.
Dakilahsuan: The process of being still enables you to focus your mind with one-pointedness into knowing Who You Really Are, that you are the God within. Through constant practice, you can be led to that particular aspect of yourself.
Bisataoling: I think you will experience this, depending on your level of consciousness. The experience you derive is that you are not the same any more. The consciousness will be different.
Dakilahsuan: Which is more important, being aware or you know?
Bisataoling; You may know , but you are not aware. Without perceiving other stage of knowing Who You Really Are, there is no awareness, you only have conceptual knowing. You lack awareness. It is a matter of progressing from one stage to another.
Dakilahsuan: Anything you do without being aware you can be trapped. What is the difference between “I know I am God” and “I am aware that I am God”.?
Bisataoling: You can see the beingness. Beingness is registered if you know that you are God. If you are aware you are God, you register certain stage of beingness. Knowing Who You Are is important to your soul.
Dakilahsuan: How can you be aware of something of you don’t know?
Bisataoling: If you know and are aware that you are God, you declare you are God, and experience that you are God. It seems that if you are God, sadness has no place. Actually sadness is also joy in the lower vibration. If you express the highest, you do not express the lowest at the same time. They may not be the same, but they are one. Like success and failure, sadness is just joy not expressed.
Patshakti: Actually, it is just a matter of difference in vibratory rate. God is of the highest frequency, while sadness is at the lower rate of frequency. Necessarily, therefore, these two frequencies cannot be in the same place at the same time. We get confused because we still think of joy and sadness as separate. Nothing is separate. Everything is interconnected with everything and everyone else. Our perception is limited because we are bounded by illusion. It is important that we have Godself Consciousness to understand the Unity of Everything.
Bisataoling: Is it necessary to believe that you are God?
Patshakti: It depends on your purpose. The necessity will just manifest itself. If you are in the unity consciousness, then believing is necessary. By believing that you are God, which is everything, your perception will change. Your belief gives rise to your behavior. If you believe you are God, your tendency is to behave like the God you believe you are. It will propel you to act accordingly.
Dakilahsuan: Whether or not we acknowledge that we are God, since belief is nothing but also a by-product of illusion, your belief need not be anchored in reality. Everything here is illusion. You can derive the beingness of God if you really believe what we are doing will change us totally. Belief should be accompanied by faith. And by positive force if you know your purpose is really important. You have to be realistic with your belief though.
3/18/03 PHYSICAL EXERCISES
We practiced the basics of the Cockerel dance as a review. Butterfly dance paring was also practiced. Pat Shakti needs to review the Merkaba.
3/10/03 - IMMORTALITY
Meditation Lowers Biological Aging.
The connection between aging and stress hormones has been amply demonstrated, but the problem of how to control these hormones remains. Because stress reaction can be triggered in a split second and without warning, it is impossible for us to control the molecules themselves. However, there is one body-mind technique, meditation, that goes directly to the root of the stress response by releasing remembered stresses that trigger new stress.
Levels of cortisone and adrenaline are found to be lower in long-term meditators, and their coping mechanism almost always tend to be stronger than average. Besides its spiritual implications, meditation was found to have profound effects on the body, in a series of experiments began by R. Wallace in the late 1960’s.
A sense of increasing calm and inner silence quickly produced profound relaxation and significant changes in breathing, heartbeat and blood pressure. The silent repetition of a specific mantra produces sound vibrations that gradually lead the mind out of its normal thinking process and into the silence that underlies thought, uniting the thinking mind with its source in pure awareness. Pure awareness is the quantum space, the silent void that is the womb of all matter and energy and exists in the gap between thoughts. It is the unchanging background against which all mental activity takes place.
The beneficial effects of meditation on human aging was well-established when the three markers for biological aging: (blood pressure, near-point vision, and hearing threshold), all of which typically decline with age, showed significant improvement with long-term practice of meditation, particularly TM.
These benefits were found to be directly linked to a very intriguing hormone called DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) which is plentifully secreted by the adrenal cortex and which circulates in the bloodstream in quantities thousands of times greater than either sex hormone,estrogen and testosterone. It’s specific role in the body, however, has proved elusive, although, it is the only hormone that declines in a straight line with age. DHEA has also been found to be a precursor of stress hormones such as adrenaline and cortisol, which means that every time the body makes these hormones, it has to use up some of the reservoir of DHEA that we are provided with at birth. That explains why DHEA declines over time. Although this decrease is not the cause of aging, it mirrors stress as it continues to build up over a life time.
DHEA was found to be a marker for the body’s exposure to stress. Accelerated increase in stress glucocorticoids results in lowering the reservoir of DHEA at the same time. On the other hand, high DHEA levels are associated with reduced incidence of coronary disease, breast cancer and osteoporosis, as well as with longer survival and decreased death from all disease in older men. Therefore, if one can keep up his DHEA LEVELS, his body must be resisting stress, and with fewer stress reactions, aging should be retarded.
Connecting Mind, Body and Spirit
The connection between antiaging and meditation is very important, but the implications go even deeper. Meditation is a spiritual practice and spirituality is not meant to be separate from the body. Sickness and aging represent the body’s inability to reach its natural goal, which is to join the mind in perfection and fulfillment.
At every state of spiritual growth, the great ally you have is your body. Many people assume that body and spirit are at opposite ends of the spectrum.. When we feel sensations that are body-centered, we do not regard them as spiritual experiences. Sensuousness, which encompasses the whole range of physical delight, is often considered low compared to the heights of that the soul can attained. But spirituality must also be sensuous, because a spiritual person is one who lives fully in the present moment, which means living fully in the body.
We have made the mistake of deciding that our body is just a machine. We also made a second mistake by assuming that the spiritual people must be those who renounce the body, deny its passion, or at the very least attempt to control it desires. This kind of prejudice against the body runs counter to the way Nature has fashioned us. Natured balanced mind, body and spirit as co-creators of our personal reality. The body is the platform that allows any experience to emerge and see the light of day; it is a 3-D projection of billions of separate processes going on at any moment.
Every aspect of reality is one piece of a mystery, a facet of overarching wholeness, the totality of what is. Atoms, molecules, rocks, starts, and the human body are material expressions of what is. Pain and pleasure are psychological expressions of what is. Compassion and love are spiritual expressions of what is. When the material, psychological expressions and spiritual expressions are brought into balance, life becomes a whole, and this union brings feelings of comfort and security.
You cannot defeat entropy as a physical force, but you can rise to a level of realization that is not touched by entropy. At the deepest level, intelligence is immune to decay. Your cells come and go yet your body’s knowledge of how to make a cell survives and gets passed on, generation after generation.
Bisataoling: Immortality consciousness means you are aware that you are spirit and that you cannot die.
Dakilahsuan: Use illusion to know who your really are. The critical aspect in the realm of the relative is illusion.
Resisting is part of growth. When there is struggle, there is change.
3/20/03 - WISDOM
Conversations with God BK III, Chapter 5.P92-100.
DISCUSSIONS:
Unity Consciousness is something that is not permanent. This is just part of the process that we have to evolve to. Once we have experienced Unity, we have to experience separation again.
This Ultimate Reality you are aspiring is something you do not have. It is like an end-point. Actually, there is no endpoint. If you will look at life as a cycle, there is no endpoint.
Dakilahsuan: If you have the Cosmic Wheel, I do not see as something that which most of you see as one. He is everything in any given moment. He may express as Who He Is Not. But what “is not” is also “is”.
Bisataoling: When Jesus Christ died and resurrected, He brought his body with Him. Where did his physical body go?
Dakilahsuan/Patshakti: There are two ways of seeing it. From the point of view of Jesus Christ and the point of view of the people witnessing it. People like us are subject to illusion. Suppose it was just a spiritual body He brought along with Him?
To entertain our mayaic mind, he has to assume his body. He cannot assume another body. For people who believe that “He will come again to judge the living and the dead” they expect to come back in his body as they know it while He was on earth. They could not see Him in any other form. What proof will it serve, from our point of view or from the point of view of Jesus Christ?
Bisataoling: How do you converse with God? Silence. If you cannot go inside, you go outside. God could be communicating to us in every way because everything and everybody is God. You communicate with from within, that is true your feelings. There are other ways.
Your life lived, for example, is a form of your communication. When we talk about communication, we normally refer to a dialogue or interaction. And the language is stillness.
Your thought, your actions, your thinking. Your feelings and the way you talk to other people are some of the ways you talk to God. But this is very difficult to understand.
The ordinary mind cannot normally know this. They understand talking. That is things are not serving the purpose if you do not have the awareness that you are talking to God.
Dakilahsuan: There is no such thing as right or wrong. There is only what works and what doesn’t work.
3/21/03 - PROSPERITY.
There was no book reading today, just like the previous meeting on Prosperity. Our thoughts were centered on the problems of the day, like the U. S. invasion of Iraq, its justification and whether or not world peace would be achieved this. What would have happened if there was no invasion and the world situation was left was it was, as desired by many nations? Could this invasion be part of change, of the cleaning of the world of all negative energies that we have been praying for. Could this be the precursor to a stronger United Nation, or could this be the beginning of the end of the UN? These and many other questions seem to be left unanswered and will remain so until the events in Iraq have fully unfolded themselves.
Questions
Bisataoling:What kind of consciousness are the Unicon partners now experiencing? Where will our studies take us.?
Dakilahsuan: Before my conciousness was expansive and I had the feeling I was one and will have to do some- thing for humanity. Now, it seems that at the present moment, I realize I am in the state of Selfhood. Whatever, we are doing seems to be for the good of our own Selves.
Bisataoling: I feel I am no longer myself. Right now, you may not feel it. But at the end, our consciousness will be the product of the blending of our consciousness with those of our teacher guides. It seems they have given us all the knowledge and the tools to understand, experience and live life well and we are just the agency to express those consciousness.
Dakilahsuan: You can see that we are progressing rapidly. Where as before I could easily pierce into each argument and see loopholes in it, I find it doubly difficult to find weakness in my Partners answers or explanations. The manifestation of our ways appears to indicate the great influence of our teachers and guide. We feel we are in communion with them. There is no more separation. Our filters are getting finer and finer. It seems to be getting more and more blended. We have evolved without being separated.
Bisataoling: How and what we speak, think and do define Who We Are and Who We Are defines God. We now seem to speak with One Voice ``. When you speak simply, you speak masterfully.
The War in Iraq
Bisataoling: Does God know the outcome?
Patshakti: He must be aware. Everything has already been done, created. It is only a matter of deciding, choosing.
The War could be part of the cleaning process we have been praying for a long time. There appears to be changing of consciousness, of the way people perceive war and terrorism and of the desirability of peace throughout the world. Humanity, as a whole wants peace and happiness. There are only a small part that wants war and power, for power sake. Some want war and power in order to bring about peace. The two opposing forces interact and after clash, the interactions, cohesion and peace will likely result and humanity can then move forward to higher levels of consciousness.
Dakilahsuan: If you study life closely, you will know what life is. We know we are not our body, but our Spirit is using our body. Since the spirit and body are one, who is using who?
Bisataoling: We do not identify who is using who. We just move into oneness.
Dakilahsuan: We have our own individual evolution, and if you have no more identification, how can karma or samskaras operate?
Bisataoling: It will still operate, but the consciousness will expand or move further.
Dakilahsuan: But aren’t your samskaras necessary for evolution?
Bisataoling: You move into your consciousness further. Will Bruce Lee and Carlos Castaneda come back?
Dakilahsuan: It would depend if their coming back into physicality will serve their purpose of expressing their samskaras. It is a matter of choice. It is hard to predict. If they want to express themselves and come down, and find the means of expressing themselves, they may have to come back.
Bisataoling: Earth plane is not a bad place to be in. For me, I have a good feeling being here. Life is worth living
3/22/03 - PHYSICAL EXERCISES.
The place was being used by one of the hotel owners. We could not do any exercise today.
3/24/03 - HARMONY
Friendship with God (P208)
All Earthly loves are temporary and short-lived. Even the love of a life-time, a partnership which lasts for half a century or more, is short-lived compared to the life of the soul which is without end.
Nothing about love is meaningless. Love is the meaning of life Itself. Life is love expressed. Therefore, every act of love is life expressing, at the highest level. Experiences of love are temporary, but love itself is eternal. Those experiences are here-and-now expressions of a love that is everywhere, always.
Masters know that it is the full-out loving of life, and of all that life presents in every moment, that is the expression of Godliness. This is the Second Attitude of God. God is totally loving.
To be totally loving means to love every one without condition and without limitation.
Can anybody be truly loving, without any condition, without any limitation? Can human beings do that? (Neale)
Some can, and have. They are called Masters. And You are all Masters. You are simply not experiencing that. (God)
The degree to which you are fully free is the degree to which you are fully joyful, and that is the degree to which you are fully loving.
DISCUSSIONS
Dakilahsuan: Why does God try to define love when Love is all there is?
Bisataoling: God is just trying to tell us how to be fully loving.
Dakilahsuan: Right now, our understanding of is limited. By defining what Love is, you are undefining what Love is, because Love is All There Is.
Bisataoling: There are the lowest and the highest aspects of love. Love is everything. There is Who He Is and Who He is Not. But they are both God .
Dakilahsuan: Everything, anything, in this relative world is illusion. So, is God not an illusion in this world of the relative where everything is not true?. Everything is an illusion. Even if you experience and you label as true love, that still is not true., because in this realm of the relative, illusion is not true. So, why is God defining Himself as true love when in the realm of the relative, there is only relative love?
Bisataoling: I think what God is defining is his True Nature.
Dakilahsuan: How can that definition be acceptable in the realm of the relative? Love is all there is, and there is an aspect of Love that is fear. There is the highest expression of love and other aspects of love. He did not say we are operating Love on a lower frequency.
Bisataoling: I think the idea of Love is energy.
Dakilahsuan: How can you say that Energy is the question?
Bisataoling: If you express love, definitely love is still a part of that Energy and it becomes love expressed.
Dakilahsuan: Is it his lower nature if you express it in terms that is less than love?
Bisataoling: If you express it in a negative way.
Dakilahsuan: I think it depends on your perception.
Bisataoling: If you have Energy, you can express. God is defining Love as highest and as fear in its lowest aspect. In the same way, there is Love that is conditional and there is Love that is unconditional.
Dakilahsuan: Love expressed is simply a matter of perception. It depends on the person loving. That is just like beauty. What is beautiful to one may be ugly to another. What is loving to one may not be loving to another. So, how can you say there is a higher or lower love when it is just a matter of perception? Even if you express the highest frequency of love, not every body can say it as true.
If you define True Love as something that will give you total freedom and total joy, what could be joyful experience to one may not be joyful at all to others.
Bisataoling: I think what matters is that you experience it unconditionally.
Dakilahsuan{ In the world of the relative, there is no such thing as total freedom or total joy. What could that be?
Why is it that God himself giving a standard definition of love when in the realm of the relative, it does not exist?
Bisataoling: People here on Earth love conditionally.
Dakilahsuan: But in the world of the relative, there is no such experience without condition.
Bisataoling: But you can still experience it.
Dakilahsuan: Do you know of any one who is totally loving? One who loves with out any requirement, without any condition?. Our love for God is born out of a condition, because we are in the world of the relative. “We love God because we want to please God and we want God to love us back, to protect us and save us from the snare of the devil?” Is loving unconditionally something doable and duplicable?
Bisataoling: We know only of a few people experiencing, like Pedro de Pio who devoted all his life to heal other people, He was totally unselfish and totally loving. We would have to experience it in order to feel what’s it like to feel the real love that is inside us that we have not been able to fully express.
Dakilahsuan: How can you say there is such a thing as unconditiohal love when in any action, there is a cause and effect? Isn’t it that when you do something there is a corresponding effect for you?
Bisataoling: Does it matter?
Dakilahsuan: But if we look at life as a continuum whether you acknowledge it or not, any action you take has a corresponding reaction.
Bisataoling: But when you expressed it, it was unconditional. He was not after the effect.
Dakilahsuan: But you have to consider two things: (1) the lower ego and the (2) the higher ego. At the soul level, he is just expressing something. Is it not possible that, that may be something born out of samskaras?
Bisataoling: I do not know.
Dakilahsuan: It cannot be that if you express something unconditionally that you have a reason. But at the soul level, there is a purpose. We are supposed to express our own samskaras. But everything is not karmic. You can make a choice.
Bisataoling; This thing you are going to do now, will it not bind you?
Dakilahsuan: I believe that there is no such thing as an action without any condition.
Bisataoling: When you express love, you are not thinking about result. Actually, we would not know the result.
Dakilahsuan: At the conscious level, may be you did not desire, but what about you unconscious or the supra conscious level? If we do not relate this to our other learning, we may as well memorize this. I am just simply relating this. How does this correspond to our other knowledge that in the world of duality, we are operating on the law of cause and effect?
Bisataoling: Unconditional love is possible. I am not after the effect.
Dakilahsuan: But why is it that people are still doing something good now? It is because of expectations that they can be benefited, at least for their soul.. You may be suffering now, but somehow, you will be benefiting from your actions, especially good actions. We are unified, body and spirit, so we can unify the two. At the conscious level, you may not be expecting a result or a preference, but what about the higher self? If you are at a level where you are one with your higher self, then you are one, and the effects of your conscious action automatically registers or is relayed to your soul, even if you are consciously unaware of it. If there is such a thing as unconditional love, how can the law of cause and effect operate, i. e. that is how can there be any action (like loving someone totally and unconditionally) without any corresponding effect or reaction? Condition means something has to happen because of what one does.
Bisataoling: Your thought and intention are what makes it unconditional. If I do not have thought or intention of expecting a result, , then there is no expectation, no condition.
Dakilahsuan: Your thought and intention can be expressed unconditionally. But we are not just our body. We are one with our higher selves. Therefore, anything you do, may not be always born of the conscious desire of the lowerself, but it could be part of the agenda of your soul. We do not really know what our higher self like, but what’s the basis for doing?
Bisataoling: Just my love for doing.
Dakilahsuan: But that is a condition! In the realm of the relative, it cannot just happen without any condition (reason) or effect.
Bisataoling: How do you define it then?
Dakilahsuan: Do you mean “without any condition”? You just do not set any condition, whether you are aware or not aware. But will that stop that person from reaping the result of his action, because we are operating on the basis of choices, on duality.
Bisataoling: I think, expressing unconditional love is still possible.. There is a point where the cause and effect does not operate. It is a neutral situation.
Dakilahsuan: Actually, the story of God is simple, but not easy.. When Jesus Christ Himself was crucified, it was with condition. It was to fulfill the prophecy, to save mankind from the bondage of sin. It was not just dying in the cross for dying sake.
3/25 - PHYSICAL EXERCISES
3/26 - IMMORTALITY
No reading today. Just discussions on various philosophical questions.
